Curse

makosi · Apr 13, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

\I don't think anything significant will be nerfed at this delicate time. The 55-ers are the dedicated players who will buy factions and anet aren't going to piss them off at the climax of the factions advertising campaign are they? Anet have better things to do.

M C H A M M E R · Apr 13, 2006, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Darth Malak

ANet and other gamers are getting hit hard,
the reason Droks Int'l D1(or chinese farm haven)

instead of taking away skills or weapons that will sky rocket in price!
(aka dont nerf the -50 item, it will be worth to much)

Why doesnt Anet fix the glitches that the 55 build is made around?
they've none this since the begging but the completly ignored it.

I believe the only way to nerf farming will be to nerf the 55 glitch not 55build/skills, because the build/skills are used in groups and other uses

finally to the point, with this coming patch April 15th
The GW community NEEDS(not wants) NEEDS Anet to solve this
- By a nerfing the double rune stack (dual sup runes)
therefore bringing the HP lvl to 130
- Maybe by also nerfing the Dual hp regens (mending+ breeze)

If this is not fixed in this update or with in a month of April 27th(factions)
Bye to a whole new chance at a good market, not this over farmed crap!
if this isnt fixed within of factions realese all the 55 farmers will have had a rush to high lvl areas and then be able to farm brandnew weapons,at a unbelievble rate.

Feel free to add comments, flame, what ever, but if 55 is not fixed once and for all, simply a half hearted Good Bye!

All I can say...No, with factions, you forget, they have taken this into consideration...what is wrong with having 10 regen with mending + breeze? You're probably just jealous that you couldn't preform a cookie cutter build.

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 13, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

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And really if this is in the game, and they know about it, it is what they intended and it was meant to be played as such, stop bitching.Really, this build is well known by the devs, has been nerfed before, and they now make new areas hard or impossible to farm with a 55.

Nice contradiction. If it is what they intended and was meant to be then why would they have nerfed it before and are now making new areas hard or impossible to farm with a 55? Yes they do know about it and no they haven't done anything directly for two reason as I said before.

1. A direct nerf of the 55 would make other monks less affective and they don't want that.

2. A direct nerf of the 55 would just force those that farm with it to farm with other solo builds so instead are making new areas harder to solo just as Lord Oranos said. Except they are making it harder for more than just the 55 to do it.

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i got lucky on a couple drops

Exactly my point. You didn't afford all that stuff because you played the game normaly, you were able to afford it because you got lucky. Well not everyone has your luck.

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You're probably just jealous that you couldn't preform a cookie cutter build.

I highly doubt he is jealous. It's a very easy build to not only get but to use. I would have to say one of the easiest other than W/Mo builds.

Right now they probably won't do a whole lot when it comes to such matters as these but only because factions is done and now they have to work at fixing the major kinks that may spring about. However once they have finished don't be surprised if they begin tying up loose ends rather rapidly when they get the time. Remember that the wheel of fortune always turn and I can't wait till people start complaining that they can't farm anymore or can't find any good places to farm. I will be there waiting.

Raiin Maker · Apr 13, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Mercenary for Hyre

I agree, instead of going after 55 builds...go after the bots, that would be easier and more effective.

true, as that would bring the number of 55hp's down massively.

the main base of 55hp's are bots, beacuase its an easy build to run, as they can take on almost everything. If arenanet nerfed bots, then most 55hp's would go, and if they went, and only honest ones were left, they might get their good stauts back.

Arknow · Apr 13, 2006, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Exactly my point. You didn't afford all that stuff because you played the game normaly, you were able to afford it because you got lucky.

getting lucky IS playing normally, unless you use hack's getting anything is luck, why do you think its called RNG,,,Random number genarator,
playing takes skill yes, but getting drops is 150% luck of the draw.

i have no more or no less chance of getting that "uber" drop as you or anyone else

Jiao Yang · Apr 13, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Ok.. IMO we dont need to nerf the build, but Anet does need to find a better way to control the bots.

streets101 · Apr 13, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

ok get over it were staying in this game (im a 55) the only thing we need to fix is BOTS! dont bother us we are using a stratagy to make money. Just cause other people cant make money because they have no skill thats there fault. stop flaming us. its a strategic build and we are limitied to areas. if there was no 55s half of the entire GW population wouldnt have fow armor so respect us!!!!!

Age · Apr 13, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Then agian i could always run ppl around with my Monk.She does very well with charge.I could make 1k from 5 from a trip from LA to Sactum Cay.It is still nothing like farming with a 55 build though.

Starsky-sama · Apr 13, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

/unsignage!

IMO. I have to say another suggestion thread going to my ??? ??? pile...

In any game there are always a variety of ways to play it. ppl discover unique ways and it can catch like wildfire. Those who dont like the 55 builds now, what's the next thing on your "I dont like" agenda...."Tanks defend too much?" [/sarcasm.]
plz live with it. it's part of the game.

-Anet has pretty much balanced the pricing issue w/ their continuous add-ons to the game.
-55's solo. they dont or wont target ppl's gameplay specifically, since they're solo.(I know there are instances otherwise, isolated.)
-bot thing. again Anet knows about it, they know what their doing, does it target your gameplay or maybe having to see amounts of ppl running out of towns just started annoying you?

"Nerf 55 other than skill"...skills were already altered from it's 1st phase. ruining runes would ruin the current state of the game, not just the 55.

sum up = runes + skills are 2 separate concepts in the game. ppl who dont like 55s basically want to "shut down", the whole idea of mixing/integrating things to support new types of gameplay or ideas? why then did you play in the 1st place?
personally I play bcuz I like the zigzag path of discovering new fun things or trying out stuff/experimenting, I wouldnt like this game if it was just a long narrow path to the end...but again to each their own...

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again.
/unsignage!

Hunter Sharparrow · Apr 14, 2006, 02:34 AM // 02:34

So many say "it's part of the game" they all seem to have this mentality. "If it's there and you can do it, it must be part of the game". I suppose in Day of Defeat on the map avalanche being able to throw a nade from axis spawn into the allied spawn isn't an exploit and is part of the game because it's there. How about that trick to make your weapon invisible in GW? That's not an exploit either because it's "part of the game".

The 55hp build is a farming build just like all the other farming builds. People go on and farm the game with it. I say farm instead of play because they are not playing the game they're farming it. If you get on the game and do nothing but farm (or close to it) then that is excessive farming. Anet is against excessive farming as they have specifically said in an interview. Signs of this are (to name two) nerfing the original build and adding enemies in the UW (despite how lame an atempt it was by making them so weak). They will do more once they the faction rush slows down.

Arknow · Apr 14, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

if you can make a game, code it, host it, and CS it, then by all means try something else if your unhappy with this format, thats the only way you will get a game to match your vision of what one should be.

otherwise get used to farmers

Str0b0 · Apr 14, 2006, 03:08 AM // 03:08

OMG NERF MY TRAP RANGER BECAUSE I CAN FARM ETTINS AND ECTO WITH IT!!!

/not signed. Just because a build is sucessful does not mean that it should be nerfed. The 55 has a very limited utility to it, that is to say you can really only farm with it and nothing else. It's not like it's unbalancing PvE or PVP skillwise. You don't see anywhere outside of ToA advertising "GLF 55 monk" It just don't happen. Your main beef seems to be with the economic "damage" these people seem to do. what you are failing to take into account is that for a lot of us who have been here since the game came out this is the end game. We have our slots filled we've worked hard and gotten our toons up and gotten our weapons and really once you get to that point there isn't a whole lot to do with the money so it is easy to bank up a lot of cash. The economy is the way it is because the wealthy are becoming a larger consumer base than before.

Kyle · Apr 14, 2006, 03:20 AM // 03:20

i dont know if this has been adressed yet because i dont want to read through all 5 pages. but not letting mending + breeze stack is rediculous. If that will end up being the case. then might as well just say one hex per enemy. Cant stack life siphon and life transfer. Which would also make dwaynas kiss uterly useless. I stack enchants on ppl just to use dwaynas for the extra boost in heal.

as for 55. dont seem to affect much. they do certain areas. other things do other areas.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Apr 14, 2006, 03:59 AM // 03:59

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

Well, I (and many others) have tried to explain this in an intelligent manner, but I guess those of us with "half a brain" have a very difficult time explaining things to those of you with absolutely no brains.

Dont bother trying to reason with Hunter Not-So-SharpArrow. In another thread he actually recommends Lightning Reflexes over Frenzy on a Warrior!

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Apr 14, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

the only view i have agaisnt 55, is it is causing a lot to think that only way to farm with mo is through 55, and that is not true, i like to see unique builds taht uses different and unused skills and ways of farming, 55 was unique at first, but almost every other person has one now, lets see more none 55 farmers of the monk, mesmer, necro, ele and etc classes besides just 55ing everything. i like to see these people use their mind and be creative and try something new instead of the same repetitive build over and over

ty3c · Apr 14, 2006, 04:24 AM // 04:24

NERFING ANYTHING IS STUPID

let me explain to the stupid people in favor of it

you want money yes?

you want gear yes?

you want the best right?

look at what happens when you nerf stuff

they nerf the HOD sword now over 500k to get before you could just get one from a collecter!

in other words NERFS raise prices THEY do not lower them lets say I farm and give tons of stuff to guildies or to anyone for nothing back just being nice once you nerf me I cannot do that and so the new players suffer

Nerfing is just hurting you new players NOT helping anyone the more WE can farm the cheaper the items get! The less we can farm The more it will cost you!

People for nerfs are very stupid people and what we do is not a crime by any means and does not brake any of the guild wars rules this is a fact.

so STOP NERFING EVERYTHING.

quickmonty · Apr 14, 2006, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by ty3c

NERFING ANYTHING IS STUPID

let me explain to the stupid people in favor of it

you want money yes?

you want gear yes?

you want the best right?

look at what happens when you nerf stuff

they nerf the HOD sword now over 500k to get before you could just get one from a collecter!

in other words NERFS raise prices THEY do not lower them lets say I farm and give tons of stuff to guildies or to anyone for nothing back just being nice once you nerf me I cannot do that and so the new players suffer

Nerfing is just hurting you new players NOT helping anyone the more WE can farm the cheaper the items get! The less we can farm The more it will cost you!

People for nerfs are very stupid people and what we do is not a crime by any means and does not brake any of the guild wars rules this is a fact.

so STOP NERFING EVERYTHING.

NO! NERF EVERYTHING! I have my vanity armor on six toons, perfect weapons for every occasion, all the runes I need and about 700K stashed away. NERF EVERYTHING! I DON'T CARE!

ROFLMAO /end sarcasm

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Apr 14, 2006, 05:03 AM // 05:03

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Originally Posted by ty3c

NERFING ANYTHING IS STUPID

let me explain to the stupid people in favor of it

you want money yes?

you want gear yes?

you want the best right?

look at what happens when you nerf stuff

they nerf the HOD sword now over 500k to get before you could just get one from a collecter!

in other words NERFS raise prices THEY do not lower them lets say I farm and give tons of stuff to guildies or to anyone for nothing back just being nice once you nerf me I cannot do that and so the new players suffer

Nerfing is just hurting you new players NOT helping anyone the more WE can farm the cheaper the items get! The less we can farm The more it will cost you!

People for nerfs are very stupid people and what we do is not a crime by any means and does not brake any of the guild wars rules this is a fact.

so STOP NERFING EVERYTHING.

rofl i think i have a headache now

Xpl0iter · Apr 14, 2006, 06:31 AM // 06:31

heh, i read many people agreeing to someone that if 55 was nerfed, people would come up with different farming builds.
tell you what, nerf 55, and just wait for the next build. i will see how effective it is. And i agree with Op and his views.
Though, people who might assume i cant afford a 55 monk, lets say, i can create 20 of those monks. i got enough, so dont try to flame me from wealth wise. got nothing against 55s, but, i am a guy who likes to see another profession feeling bad when their favourite kind of build gets nerfed like for us eles. just so we all can cry together?
It is just lame to see that anet supports certain kind of professions for gold farming, and others dont get shit. till this game gets balanced, dont expect all players to be happy. Take FFXI for example, and learn from them. their professions are well balanced. if you need full example, i will bring one of the most popular players here just to give those people a satisfying example of How they feel comfortable with the balance between the professions they have in FFXI.

FFXI = Final Fantasy 11.
Oh by the way, Xaero, New people are suppose to learn from people, not to be given items from people who are old in this game, let them stand on their own, and be experienced as they go through stages, dont use that as an excuse to make things look reasonable. I have done that and i know how it goes.

I will suggest something just for YOUR sake.
If farming means so much to you, allow all professions to farm in certain way. dont allow couple of professions to take the lead for every thing. In easy words, stop forcing people like me who hate playing a monk char, mind you, i do not lack skills, i lack the love for this profession.
Why not letting me solo things with other chars? a mesmer should be able to solo certain areas without relying on 55 builds. Necros, go same for you, and any other profession out there who uses a 55 build with *necro* mesmer, ele or what ever primary. it is a MONK build. keep that in mind. Rangers and warriors can farm tocertain extent. the end users are eles and mesmers, who have no other option but to rely onnecro side, or monk side to support 55 monk, or become invinci chars.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Xaero Gouki Kriegor · Apr 14, 2006, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

heh, i read many people agreeing to someone that if 55 was nerfed, people would come up with different farming builds.
tell you what, nerf 55, and just wait for the next build. i will see how effective it is. And i agree with Op and his views.
Though, people who might assume i cant afford a 55 monk, lets say, i can create 20 of those monks. i got enough, so dont try to flame me from wealth wise. got nothing against 55s, but, i am a guy who likes to see another profession feeling bad when their favourite kind of build gets nerfed like for us eles. just so we all can cry together?
It is just lame to see that anet supports certain kind of professions for gold farming, and others dont get shit. till this game gets balanced, dont expect all players to be happy. Take FFXI for example, and learn from them. their professions are well balanced. if you need full example, i will bring one of the most popular players here just to give those people a satisfying example of How they feel comfortable with the balance between the professions they have in FFXI.

I will suggest something just for YOUR sake.
If farming means so much to you, allow all professions to farm in certain way. dont allow couple of professions to take the lead for every thing. In easy words, stop forcing people like me who hate playing a monk char, mind you, i do not lack skills, i lack the love for this profession.
Why not letting me solo things with other chars? a mesmer should be able to solo certain areas without relying on 55 builds. Necros, go same for you, and any other profession out there who uses a 55 build with *necro* mesmer, ele or what ever primary. it is a MONK build. keep that in mind. Rangers and warriors can farm tocertain extent. the end users are eles and mesmers, who have no other option but to rely onnecro side, or monk side to support 55 monk, or become invinci chars.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

hehe look more into your favorite profession sir lol you will see a elementalist can solo almost as much as a riposte dolyak signet warrior without being 55, if not more, infact, i think you could even go around perdition rock with elementalist and solo more things then a warrior ever can in perdition, builds already starting to come to my mind for ele, lol dont feel that the ele is left out, i would search more into the mesmer profession for soloing, my guildie on the other hand pushes the limits on his mesmer . . . . he solos many melee creatures and even can do the droknar forge run on his mesmer. . . .

just use your head and look around and study the skills, you will find that no profession is limited at all.